Episode 40: The Primal Connection with Mark Sisson

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What Is The Primal Connection?

We have a special guest on the show today – Mark Sisson, the paleo leader and voice behind Mark’s Daily Apple, and the author of many books including The Primal Connection. One of the things I’ve always loved about Mark’s message is that health is about more than just food. It’s about every aspect of life. The Primal Connection explores the disconnect between modern life and the life of our ancestors – how we live completely differently now. We can’t go back in time, but we can learn from our past. Today, we talk about what aspects of ancestral living we can incorporate into our modern lives, and what we can gain from doing so, in terms of health and happiness.

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Show Notes

  • Intro (0:00)
  • Thank You to our Podcast Sponsor – Paleo on the Go (2:02)
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  • Meet Mark Sisson (2:41)
  • Defining Epigenetics (7:34)
    • Our DNA is a set of genes whose goal is to build a healthy human being, although sometimes we inherit a vulnerability to disease. Epigenetics are the forces that turn our genes on and off – sometimes in a beneficial way, and sometimes in a harmful way. Our choices regarding diet and lifestyle are strong epigenetic influences, which is empowering because it means we aren’t defined by our genes.
  • The Primal Connection Philosophy (11:42)
    • What are the expectations of these hunter-gatherer genes that we inherited? How can we meet those expectations for greater health and joy in the context of modern life?
    • The book is very practical. It describes how we’re hardwired ancestrally, how modern life has disconnected from that behavior, and has practical tips and exercises to reconnect to our primal needs.
  • Inner Dialogue – How We Talk to Ourselves (16:01)
    • People average 50,000-70,000 thoughts per day, and most of those are repetitive, and too often they’re negative.
    • Our brains evolved to be like a computer that’s always on, assessing our environment for both danger and opportunity. 10,000 years ago, that kept us alive. Now, it keeps us stressed. In the past, the stress response was short-lived and interspersed with large periods of feeling peaceful. In modern-life, we stimulate the stress response all day every day, and it’s very harmful to both our physical and mental health.
    • Primal Connection – Practice mindfulness, gratitude and awareness of the present moment. Create peaceful places between those negative thoughts.
    • Mark’s recommendation: Go on a hike alone with no smartphone or ipod. It immerses you in nature and makes awareness of the present moment both easier and more enjoyable. If your health prevents hiking, you can do the same thing by sitting outside in nature.
  • The 10 Habits of Highly Successful Hunter Gatherers (31:11)
    • Take responsibility
    • Be selfish
    • Build a tribe
    • Be present
    • Be curious
    • Trust your gut
    • Pick your battles
    • Get over it
    • Sharpen your spear
    • Be affluent
  • Why Being Selfish Is Necessary (31:54)
    • “Being selfish does not mean valuing yourself above all others. It means being as generous with yourself as you are with others. If you believe all people should be protected, nurtured, loved, and filled with joy, then recognize that you are a person, too, deserving of all those things as well.” ~ quote from The Primal Connection
  • The Wisdom of Getting Over It (35:27)
    • Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we deal with it.
    • Traumas and tragedies happen every day, and there are people who overcome them and people who carry them, feeling like a victim to that event.
    • Regret, bitterness and resentment are all toxic feelings that release a cascade of stress hormones throughout our bodies that become epigenetic triggers for inflammation and illness.
    • Forgiveness isn’t necessarily easy, but it’s the best gift we can give ourselves. Like anything, it’s a skill that we can learn through practice, starting with small acts of forgiveness and working our way up to larger ones – forgiving not only others but ourselves as well.
    • If you have suffered childhood trauma, listen to Episode 24 of this podcast, where I interview the author of Childhood Disrupted on the impact this has on your likelihood to develop autoimmune disease as well as techniques to heal those traumas.
    • EMDR is a therapy that’s a very effective treatment for PTSD.
  • Reconnecting With a Body That Has Autoimmune Disease (41:26)
    • People with autoimmune disease often disconnect from their bodies either out of anger at feeling betrayed by our bodies, or simply because it hurts to much to be present in a body that’s sick. However, the fact is that we are one with our bodies. We can’t truly separate, and part of healing is connecting to and loving our bodies into health.
    • We are wired for touch, and it releases beneficial hormones throughout our bodies that are epigenetic triggers for health. Collect hugs, get a pet, get a massage, hold hands, snuggle, have sex, go barefoot through the grass. Balance the painful feelings with pleasurable ones.
  • Mark’s Own Self-Experiments for Health (48:11)
    • He used to love 2 glasses of wine with dinner and published research on his blog that supported this as healthy behavior. But he knew that alcohol is a toxin in the body, so he decided to do a personal test. He gave up wine for a month and noticed his sleep improved. Now 2 years later, he only has wine on special occasions and he chooses “paleo wines”  – ones without additives.
    • Marks is a big proponent of n=1 self-experimentation and has published a journal where people can record their process and results.
  • Primal Kitchen Franchises – Coming Soon (52:21)
    • Mark himself is opening the first location in Studio City, CA.
    • Keep track on their website: Primal Kitchen Restaurants.
    • Update 2018: Sadly, this venture closed.
  • Outro (55:35)
    • Marksdailyapple.com offers daily articles for health education and inspiration. For people who want to deepen their knowledge of everything we discussed here today and perhaps develop a health coaching practice helping others, Mark has a Primal Blueprint Certification online class.
    • Eileen (your podcast host) is the author of multiple books, written to help people thrive with autoimmune disease. Learn more on the Books Page.
    • If you like this podcast, follow or subscribe through your favorite podcast app. You can also subscribe to Eileen’s biweekly newsletter.
    • Check out the entire archive of podcast episodes.

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