MRI’s and Neurological Antibodies
I believe in being an empowered patient, and that means understanding the care we receive. Sometimes tests are ordered and interpreted by our doctors, but it feels like a foreign language that we don’t speak. Today’s podcast is part of my testing series. Prior episodes have covered thyroid tests, rheumatology tests, GI tests, and more. Today, we’re doing a deep dive into MRI’s and neurological antibodies. My guest is Dr. Ken Sharlin, an integrative neurologist who believes in a holistic approach to patient care. He is a licensed MD who is board certified in neurology. He’s also certified in functional medicine.
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- Intro (0:00)
- Thank You to Our Podcast Sponsor – The MSing Link (2:40)
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- Meet Dr. Ken Sharlin (4:10)
- Dr. Sharlin is an integrative neurologist. He is a licensed MD who is board certified in neurology. He’s also certified in functional medicine.
- He believes in the art of medicine. He was inspired by physician writers like Oliver Sacks, a neurologist whose books expanded Dr. Sharlin’s view of the world. When he went to medical school, he chose neurology.
- His interest in functional medicine stemmed from his athletic pursuits. He was a triathlete and had to learn about nutrition, stress management, sleep, etc. in order to optimize his performance. He realized this same knowledge could benefit his patients by helping them create health rather than simply treating symptoms. So, he pursued training and certification in functional medicine.
- Listen to my prior interview interview with Dr. Sharlin where we focused on functional medicine: Episode 75.
- The Complexity of Diagnosing Neurological Autoimmune Disease (10:34)
- Many neurological diseases have a blend of immune system involvement and neurodegeneration. It’s even possible for some cancers to trigger an autoimmune response. This makes diagnosis complex.
- Testing is just one part of the diagnostic process, and in Dr. Sharlin’s office, it’s the last step.
- The first step is a thorough health history: What are the symptoms? When did they start? How have they progressed? Does anything make it better? Does anything make it worse? Does it run in your family? 95% of the information that leads to diagnosis is gathered during the health history.
- The next step is a neurological exam which assesses all aspects of neurological function: mental status, cranial nerves, motor systems, senses, reflexes, coordination. This information helps with localization – determining where in the nervous system the problem is coming from.
- Based on this information, the doctor comes up with a differential diagnosis – a list of potential explanations that guide the tests ordered. The tests are very specific to the individual rather than a broad panel of tests run on every patient.
- The problem with broad testing is that it statistically leads to more false positives, which in turn can lead to unnecessary procedures.
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- Potentially Risky Tests (23:10)
- Before the break, Dr. Sharlin mentioned that when testing is done broadly instead of individualized to the patient, it can lead to a false positive result that may lead to unnecessarily dangerous follow-up testing and procedures.
- One example is a brain angiogram which is used to diagnose a stroke. A catheter is placed in the femoral artery of the leg, and a technician injects a special dye into the blood vessels that lead to the brain. X-ray images are taken to look for blood vessel abnormalities in the brain. Some migraines can present as a stroke-like episode. A thorough history and medical exam should be able to differentiate between migraine and stroke and avoid an unnecessary procedure which carries its own risks: in addition to the radiation of the x-ray, angiograms can cause a stroke.
- MRI = Magnetic Resonance Imaging (25:33)
- The MRI is an incredible invention. It uses a magnetic field and computer-generated radio waves to create detailed images of the organs and tissues in your body. (Resource Video: How MRI’s Work.)
- There is no radiation involved in an MRI. It’s considered a very safe technology. The only potential side effect is a temporary mild headache, and that’s rare.
- Because software is used to create the images, the software can be programmed to look for specific things. For example, searching for areas that have a higher water content can show areas of inflammation. Isolating areas of higher fat content will give a more clear image of the brain since it’s mostly fat. There are also ways to look closely at blood vessels, which is called magnetic resonance angiography.
- Note from Dr. Sharlin: An MRI is a test – it doesn’t cure disease. It looks at anatomy, not physiology, which is why it’s just one potential tool in the diagnosis toolbox. He doesn’t order an MRI for every patient, because it’s not necessary to every diagnosis. MS is the exception. He will always order an MRI if he suspects multiple sclerosis. For other neurological autoimmune diseases, an MRI might be ordered to rule out a structural problem to help narrow down the diagnosis.
- What Does It Feel Like to Get an MRI? (34:03)
- There are some new variations on MRIs (open MRI’s and standing MRI’s) but they have low-quality images. If you need an MRI, a conventional MRI is the one to choose.
- Conventional MRI’s are closed systems. You lie flat in a tube for the procedure and need to be very still. For neurological MRI’s, a coil is placed over your head, or over your head/neck/chest. It can feel quite claustrophobic. The machine is also loud. The test can take anywhere from 20-60 minutes.
- Comfort measures offered by MRI providers might include ear plugs or piped-in music, as well as bolsters and blankets to make you more comfortable. You can also request medication to help you relax during the procedure.
- Resource Videos:
- Thank You to Our Podcast Sponsor – Fully Healthy aka ShopAIP (40:23)
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- Contrast Dye MRI’s (41:55)
- Gadolinium contrast dye is sometimes used to enhance MRI images.
- When it comes to the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord), the contrast dye shows whether there has been a disruption in the blood-brain barrier. This indicates significant inflammation or tissue damage, and cannot be seen without the contrast dye.
- With MS, regular MRI’s can show how many plaques exist and where they’re located, but they can’t show when they appeared. Contrast dye highlights new and acute plaques. This is important in the diagnosis of MS and also in monitoring response to treatment.
- The concern about contrast dye is that gadolinium is a heavy metal. Some of the older dyes used in the 1980’s would accumulate in the brain which is obviously unhealthy. The newer dyes used today are more water soluble and therefore more easily cleared from the body.
- Dr. Sharlin doesn’t recommend contrast dye for every patient. For example, if someone has Alzheimer’s or cognitive decline, he would not include contrast in their MRI. However, with MS, he believes the benefits of the contrast dye outweigh the risks. The one exception is if a patient with MS has been stable for years with no new activity or relapses. In that case, he will reduce the frequency of the contrast MRI’s to every-other-year instead of annually, using a regular MRI in the intervening years.
- Neurological Antibodies (46:38)
- Antibodies are a normal part of our immune system, and they’re produced in response to something the immune system targets as foreign (viruses, bacteria, germs, parasites, toxins, allergens, etc.) Antibodies act as a bullseye, drawing other immune cells to the target to remove it from the body.
- With the autoimmune response, a part of the body is mistaken as foreign, and there are different antibodies associated with different autoimmune diseases. Some examples are AChR-MG antibodies in myasthenia gravis, aquaporin 4 autoantibodies in neuromyelitis optica, and anti-GM1 antibodies in multifocal motor neuropathy.
- Some functional medicine providers run broad antibody panels on patients which Dr. Sharlin believes does more harm than good. Low levels of antibodies can be created by the immune system for many reasons – it’s not always correlated with autoimmune disease. In fact, it can be a sign of the immune system working well. Antibody testing is only beneficial within the larger context of a detailed health history and neurological exam. He’ll order specific antibody tests for a patient only when he already suspects a diagnosis – to confirm or rule out the diagnosis.
- Lastly, while antibodies can help confirm a diagnosis, they aren’t helpful in measuring the success of treatment. The immune system has a memory, and it will hold onto those antibodies. The effectiveness of treatment is better measured in other ways.
- Outro (54:08)
- Dr. Ken Sharlin is accepting new patients, and you can connect with him through his website. His office is located in Ozark, Missouri. Your first appointment needs to be in his office, but he offers telehealth consultation after that.
- Eileen (your podcast host) is the author of multiple books, written to help people thrive with autoimmune disease. Learn more on the Books Page.
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