Episode 138: Best Of – Exercise and Autoimmune Disease

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Best of the Phoenix Helix Podcast

In support of my own autoimmune health, I’m taking a sabbatical for the month of December and releasing favorite episodes from the archives that you might have missed. Today’s episode is one of the most popular of all time. With autoimmune disease, the right exercise has the potential to improve our health, but the wrong exercise can cause an autoimmune flare. Our needs will often change from month to month, maybe even from day to day. In this episode, I share my own experience of how my exercise needs have changed since being diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. I also interview 3 other people about their exercise experiences as well. One guest has multiple sclerosis, one has Crohn’s disease, and the other has Hashimoto’s. My hope with this podcast is that we can all learn from and inspire each other. There is no “one size fits all” approach. The wisdom exists in tuning into our bodies and choosing to move in a way that makes us feel better instead of worse.

PS: I recorded a companion episode to this podcast: an interview with Andrea Wool, founder of Autoimmmune Strong and an expert on exercise for people with chronic illness. Listen here.

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Show Notes

  • Intro (0:00)
  • Welcome to Our New Podcast Sponsor – Autoimmune Strong (2:02)
    • They are the one and only online exercise program designed for people with autoimmune disease, by a personal trainer who has autoimmune disease herself.
    • Membership gives you access to videos that are designed for all body types – even people with severe joint pain or limitations getting up and down off the floor. The videos are short and easy to follow. They slowly progress in intensity and teach you how to find the level of exercise that’s safe for you. The program focuses on strength, flexibility, and cardio fitness. In addition to the videos, membership gives you access to a supportive online community and a monthly Q&A call with founder and personal trainer, Andrea Wool.
    • Listen to my interview with Andrea to learn all about exercise intolerance and why it’s a common side effect of autoimmune disease.
    • Join Autoimmune Strong and use the code PHOENIX for 10% off your first month.
  • Eileen’s Exercise Experience with Rheumatoid Arthritis (3:51)
    • Eileen Laird (your podcast host) manages rheumatoid arthritis with the help of the paleo autoimmune protocol.
    • Pre-diagnosis, I enjoyed mountain hiking, yoga and slow-motion strength training.
    • At rock bottom with RA, all exercise made me flare – even gentle stretches. It simply hurt my body to move. So, I did two things: (1) I meditated which helped calm my fear and incorporated some deep breathing into my life. (2) I “chair danced” – which meant sitting in my “lazygirl” chair, often with a brace on a flaring joint. I would then put on some upbeat music and very subtly move my body to the beat. I mean very subtly! It was a mood lifter, and it felt good to move my body even this much.
    • When my inflammation started to reduce after going paleo, I added very gentle, very short exercise – like 15 minutes on the exercise bike (because walking still hurt), and gentle stretching (because yoga was too hard on my joints). Interestingly, walking and yoga are often recommended for people with RA, showing that universal recommendations don’t apply.
    • Eventually, I was able to return to the mountain hikes that I loved, with one change. Instead of hiking 10 miles, I hike 3-5 miles. Interestingly, my body still doesn’t like yoga, so I’ve let that go for now, and I’m focusing on what I can do rather than what I can’t.
    • There are ups and downs to life with autoimmune disease, and I adjust my activities accordingly. I used to love kayaking, but some shoulder issues made that difficult, so I tried paddleboarding instead and loved it.
    • My best advice: Honor what your body needs in each moment, with self-love, and without judgement.
  • Susan’s Experience with Hashimoto’s Disease (11:34)
    • Susan Vennerholm manages Hashimoto’s with the help of the paleo autoimmune protocol.
    • Pre-diagnosis, Susan was an intense outdoor athlete, loving backpacking, mountaineering, trail running, rock climbing, mountain biking, and backcountry skiing. She was also a yoga instructor. Fitness was a huge part of her life.
    • At rock bottom with Hashimoto’s, Susan couldn’t exercise at all. Going up a flight of stairs made her feel like she had just run a marathon. Adrenal fatigue is a common side effect of Hashimoto’s, and it took her 3 years to recover from this double-whammy. Resources: 8 Key Lifestyle Habits to Support Adrenal Healing, and these Adrenal Fatigue Podcasts: Episode 15 and Episode 47.
    • When Susan began exercising again, she had a lot of false starts, where the smallest amount of exercise would require a 3-hour nap afterward. But eventually she regained her ability to exercise, often finding her limits by surpassing them. She started with short walks and gentle yoga. Eventually she was able to return to the outdoor sports she loved. She also recently started HIIT workouts, which she was surprised to discover she loves.
    • Susan has learned how to pay attention to her body and adjust her exercise accordingly. There are early signs that she needs to rest more; one example is insomnia which is a symptom of adrenal imbalance. Rather than letting it become severe, she takes steps to support her circadian rhythms. When she plans a mountaineering trip, she also plans a period of rest afterward. She’s more balanced in her approach to exercise now. That doesn’t mean she’s perfect. Last year she pushed herself too hard and had a shingles outbreak in the remote wilderness, which took months to recover. Her goal is to stop having those experiences by listening to her body’s gentler signs.
    • Her best advice: Be patient with your body and listen when it tells you to rest. Get to know your body’s signals. And if a form of exercise you used to love is hard on your health, don’t give up on exercise altogether. Try different things until you find what works for you. And start gently.
    • You can follow Susan through her blog, Backcountry Paleo.
  • Thank You to Our Podcast Sponsor – Paleo on the Go (27:03)
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  • Alissa’s Exercise Experience with Multiple Sclerosis (29:19)
    • Alissa Frazier manages multiple sclerosis with the help of the paleo diet and lifestyle.
    • Pre-diagnosis, Alissa was on many sports teams in high school. She enjoyed tennis, basketball, and running. During college and grad school her activities dropped off. It actually wasn’t until she was diagnosed that she made exercise a consistent part of her life again. She had hired a nutrition coach to help her improve her health, and a fitness routine was part of the recommendation (specifically strength training, which Alissa had never done before).
    • At rock bottom with MS, she had 3 relapses in 18 months. Her symptoms included intense pain bodywide and debilitating fatigue. During those relapses, exercise was not possible. Rest was what she needed, but it was really hard for her to accept that, because she loved her exercise routine.
    • Kettlebells are a cornerstone of Alissa’s personal exercise routine. One of the things she likes about them is that you can adapt the weight and the movement based on your body’s abilities, from something very gentle to something very challenging.
    • Alissa has also had the experience of finding her body’s limits by surpassing them. Sometimes if she pushed herself too hard, she would experience minor flares that lasted for a few days. She was also exercising strenuously before her 3 major relapses, and while the heavy exercise wasn’t the sole cause, it might have contributed.
    • Alissa has been able to get back to the advanced strength training she was doing prior to her relapses, and she also enjoys playing some tennis. But she has learned to adapt to her body’s needs. For example, heat intolerance exacerbates MS symptoms, so Alissa chooses to play tennis in cooler weather, on a shady court, for shorter sessions, and she has ice water available. She’s also given up running, because she doesn’t believe chronic cardio is good for her health.
    • Her best advice: When starting a new exercise routine, always start easy and slowly ramp up. If you can work with a personal trainer who knows about autoimmunity, that’s ideal. Don’t let yourself by defined by your diagnosis. Almost any exercise can be adapted for your needs.
    • You can follow Alissa through her blog, Liss-MS.com. She’s also a personal trainer and health coach who works with people worldwide via Skype.
  • Zach’s Experience with Crohn’s Disease (49:15)
    • Zach Friedman is managing Crohn’s disease with the help of the paleo diet and lifestyle.
    • Pre-diagnosis, Zach enjoyed volleyball, hiking, salsa dancing and Qigong.
    • At rock bottom with Crohn’s, Zach had already had one surgery, and within 3 years his doctor was recommending another. Simultaneously, he was having a negative reaction to his medication, causing nausea on top of his Crohn’s symptoms. His doctor recommended Hot Yoga, which Zach found very beneficial and soothing to his symptoms. After a 2-hour class, he would feel better for most of that day. He thinks part of the reason was that the sweating helped him detox some of his medication side effects.
    • He now has a daily exercise routine he does every morning that has a direct effect on his Crohn’s symptoms. He drinks a glass of water, then does a series of stretches and gentle yoga – largely focusing on stretching his core. Then he drinks a second glass of water. Sometimes his routine is just a few minutes per day, yet after years of doing this, he feels stronger and more flexible than ever before. He experiences much fewer Crohn’s symptoms on the days he does this routine (which he has learned by occasionally skipping a day).
    • In addition to his daily stretching routine, Zach has been able to get back to some of the activities he enjoyed pre-diagnosis, including volleyball and hiking. He does have to take care of his health, especially when he’s hiking in remote regions. On a vacation to Yosemite National Park, he had a severe flare brought on partially by the high altitude and dehydration. Now, he knows to make sure he drinks plenty of water and be especially tuned into his body’s needs in challenging terrain.
    • His best advice: Exercise doesn’t have to be strenuous or time-intensive to be helpful. The important thing is consistency – doing what you can every day, even if it’s just a little bit.
    • You can follow Zach through his blog, myPALeos.
  • Announcement: AIP Summit 2020 (1:06:42)
    • This free online event teaches everything you need to know to succeed on the Paleo Autoimmune Protocol. Webinars will include: AIP Basics, Cooking Demonstrations, Maintaining Social Connections, Collaborating with Healthcare Practitioners, Overcoming Challenges, and Bridging Mind-Body-and Spirit.
    • All of the presenters are AIP Certified Coaches and there will be presentations by AIP leaders as well, including Dr. Sarah Ballantyne, Mickey Trescott and Angie Alt.
    • It takes place January 6-12, 2020. If you’re listening to the podcast after those dates, recordings of the presentations will be available to purchase. But they’re free if you catch them live. Learn more here.
  • Outro (1:07:52)

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