Episode 169: Primal Play with Darryl Edwards

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Rediscover the Joy of Movement

There are health benefits to play and health benefits to exercise, and there’s a special power in the combination. Children know this naturally, but adults rarely combine the two. How can we incorporate more playful movement into our lives? With autoimmune disease, a playful spirit can be hard to find sometimes, and when we’re in pain, movement may feel impossible. Yet play and movement are still available even in those moments, and may potentially reduce our pain and autoimmune symptoms. My guest is Darryl Edwards, founder of the Primal Play method.

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Show Notes

  • Intro (0:00)
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  • Meet Darryl (3:57 & 10:57)
    • Darryl Edwards is an expert on the health benefits of play and exercise. He’s the founder of the Primal Play method, and the author of the book, Animal Moves.
    • Like most people, he was a playful child but became more serious as an adult. He worked long hours in a stressful career (technology and investment banking), and the only playfulness he indulged in was blowing off steam through drinking and partying – unhealthy forms of play.
    • Eventually, his sedentary lifestyle caught up with him. His doctor wanted to prescribe medication to control his blood pressure, blood sugar, and cholesterol. Darryl decided to change his lifestyle instead. He joined a gym, and regular exercise was hugely beneficial to his mental and physical health. All of his bloodwork and vital signs normalized. He liked the end result, but hated the process. He had embraced a “no pain no gain” philosophy and exercise was arduous.
    • That’s when he asked himself a key question: “When was the last time I enjoyed movement?” The answer was childhood. Darryl decided to find a way to move his body that was playful, challenging and joyful – where he would enjoy the process, not just the end result. The Primal Play method was born.
  • How Play Changes in Adulthood (6:03)
    • A lot of the ways adults tap into playfulness isn’t necessarily healthy: drinking, drugs, partying, gambling. They’re ways to “blow off steam” but they have addictive tendencies, harmful side effects, and don’t tap into the health benefits of play at all. Superficially they’re playful, but when you dig deeper, they’re not.
    • Sports can be playful if you’re having a good time and everyone is welcome. However, when sports become professional, only certain people are “qualified” to play (and for those people it becomes work). Everyone else becomes a spectator – watching instead of participating.
    • It’s not the activity that defines play. It’s the attitude.
  • Challenging Play (15:30)
    • Play isn’t necessarily easy and lighthearted all the time. Children love a challenge. Whether it’s climbing a tree, or playing hide and seek with friends – both activities are focused, quiet, a little scary, and the child is totally immersed in the experience.
    • Children naturally embrace risk. Most adults are risk-averse. One quality of play is to to learn to embrace risk again and stretch your limits – not in a foolhardy way, but in a way that allows you to gain new skills and learn more about yourself. It’s the opposite of fear of failure.
    • Embracing new experiences is also a key aspect of childhood play. Adults are drawn to what’s familiar and comfortable. The next time you’re doing an activity you’ve done hundreds of times before, ask yourself how you can make it different this time? How can you incorporate something new? Try to bring a spontaneous, adventurous spirit to your activities. That’s the spirit of play.
  • Benefits of Active Play (19:56)
    • The brain and body get the greatest boost from the blend of play and movement. We get all the benefits of exercise, all the benefits of play, plus additional benefits from the combination.
    • Improved cardiovascular health.
    • Reduction in all-cause mortality (longer life span).
    • Mental health benefits: reduced anxiety and depression.
    • Elevation of the feel-good hormones (serotonin, dopamine, and oxytocin).
    • Social benefits if it’s a group activity.
    • Reduction in stress and cortisol levels.
    • Enhanced neurogenesis (the growth of new brain cells) and neuroplasticity (the brain’s ability to adapt).
    • When it comes to preventing and reversing cognitive decline, learning to dance is one of the most powerful interventions. In fact, it’s more powerful than “brain games” like crossword puzzles and sudoku.
    • Resources:
  • Movement When You’re Feeling Pain (27:43)
    • Research shows that exercise improves health outcomes for people with autoimmune disease.
    • Darryl’s mission is to make active play available for everyone. When you have chronic illness, your abilities may change day to day based on your symptoms. Active play is about finding ways to move within your body’s potential. It’s not about pushing yourself to pain. It’s about challenging yourself slightly, and finding joy in the movements you can do.
    • For example, with dancing – you can embody the spirit of dancing from a chair, gently moving to the beat of the music. This is what Eileen did when her rheumatoid arthritis symptoms were at their worst and most movement was painful. It was soothing and joyful to put on some favorite music and find a way to move that didn’t hurt.
    • Similarly, Darryl suffered from chronic low back pain that would sometimes leave him bedridden. He discovered that exploring gentle ways to move in bed, alleviated some of that pain.
    • Joyful movement releases endorphins which are natural painkillers. It also stimulates endocannabinoids, which are the body’s precursors to endorphins. Many people take CBD oil for pain. Endocannabinoids are the body’s natural CBD system.
    • Exploring gentle movement also releases guarding – the muscle tension that occurs unconsciously when we try to protect ourselves from pain. This tension ends up increasing pain instead by adding a layer of tension and also sensitizing our pain receptors.
  • What Is the Primal Play Method? (37:08)
    • Primal – anchored in evolutionary biology. How are humans designed to move?
    • Playful – eliminate boredom. What makes movement more enjoyable?
    • Powerful – informed by modern science. What quality and quantity of daily movement improves health and wellbeing?
    • Rediscover the joy of movement. Primal Play focuses on fun, functional and challenging movement that can be adapted for all.
  • Animal Moves (38:47)
    • These are a big part of the Primal Play method. They make exercise more playful and challenge us to broaden our range of movements.
    • Human beings are animals, too, and we have the added benefit of imagination. Children naturally mimic animals: flapping their arms like a bird, crawling like a bear, climbing like a monkey, jumping like a kangaroo.
    • These are foundational movements. They can increase range of motion, strength, flexibility, mobility, and independence. And they can be adapted based on our abilities.
    • Resources:
  • Adapting Animal Moves (42:35)
    • You can choose different animals based on your ability each day, and/or adapt an animal’s movements.
    • Jumping a centimeter off the floor is still jumping. Even from a chair, there are ways to embody a jumping motion while staying seated.
    • Quadriplegics experience benefits to the brain and body, even when exercise is passive.
    • Crawling is especially beneficial to the body and brain, because it enhances communication between the left and right brain hemispheres. Here’s an exercise that’s done standing (and can also be done sitting or lying down) that accesses this cross-body benefit. You can slow the pace and adapt the movements to your body’s ability, but challenge yourself, and see how your coordination improves over time.
    • Remember this: Confusion is where the magic happens. When you try a new movement and you feel uncoordinated, that challenges your brain to create new neural pathways. When something gets easy, it’s time to try a new challenge. Variety is where the magic happens, too.
    • Video: Primal Play Is Inclusive.
  • Outro (54:16)
    • Darryl’s website is called Primal Play. It’s full of research, articles, tutorials, videos, as well links to his Animal Moves book and card decks. He also coaches people 1:1. And be sure to check out his Ted Talk.
    • Eileen (your podcast host) is the author of multiple books, written to help people thrive with autoimmune disease. Learn more on the Books Page.
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2 comments on “Episode 169: Primal Play with Darryl Edwards”

  1. The description of play in children and our imaginations…It occurred to me that reading might qualify as play, too.It would be great to have a booklist of affirmative, joyful, action-packed readings.

    1. Hi Amy. I love reading and think it’s a wonderful part of a joyful life! I don’t think it’s a substitute for movement, but they are both wonderful practices. I hear you on wanting a list of joyful books. So many books are so bleak! I love reading fantasy and sci-fi for that reason.

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