Episode 18: Autoimmune Skin Conditions

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Episode 18 of the Phoenix Helix Podcast: Autoimmune Skin Conditions

Healing Your Body From The Inside Out

While all autoimmune diseases have common factors (molecular mimicry, an overactive immune system, leaky gut, food and stress triggers, etc.), autoimmune skin conditions sometimes have additional influences. So, that’s the focus of our podcast today. Whether you have psoriasis, eczema, lichen planus, hidradenitis suppurativa, rosacea, or another autoimmune or immune-stimulated condition, listen in! And even if you don’t have skin issues, but are looking for some troubleshooting ideas for symptoms that aren’t resolving quickly, this episode might have the answers you seek.

Episode 18 of the Phoenix Helix Podcast: Autoimmune Skin Conditions

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Show Notes

  • Intro (0:00)
  • Meet Our Guests (0:51)
    • Joanna Frankham is the blogger and health coach behind Joannafrankham.com (formerly This Sydney Life). She is using the paleo lifestyle to reverse hidradenitis suppurativa (HS). HS is often misdiagnosed and can take 20 years before getting an accurate diagnosis, which was the case for Joanna. In fact, doctors often blame symptoms on poor hygiene, leaving patients feeling unfairly ashamed, having no idea autoimmunity is at its root. HS symptoms are pea-sized lumps under the skin wherever your skin rubs together: armpits, groin, buttocks and breasts. These lumps can come and go, or last for years, and they’re very painful. Joanna finally learned about HS through this article on Mark’s Daily Apple, written by Tara Grant, author of the book, The Hidden Plague. Joanna started with a primal diet and transitioned into the paleo autoimmune protocol (AIP). That combined with functional medicine have reduced her symptoms by 95%.
    • Mary Lapp is the blogger and nutritional therapy practitioner behind Simple and Merry. She follows the paleo lifestyle to manage rosacea. Rosacea is a skin condition that causes the face to become red, inflamed and bumpy. It isn’t painful, but it’s very visible and often leaves people feeling embarrassed. Mary developed rosacea at around 10 years old and it worsened during puberty. She first tried to address it through the Weston A. Price diet but her condition actually worsened. It wasn’t until she switched to the AIP that it started to improve. She is now 80% better. One challenge for her in staying strict with her diet is that her symptoms aren’t debilitating, so she sometimes eats foods she knows will cause a flare.
  • Food Triggers & Reintroductions (11:42)
  • Gut Health (19:25)
    • Joanna: She was prescribed Accutane for severe acne as a teenager, which is now known to have serious side effects related to gut heath. She believes it might be one of the triggers behind her development of HS. Her functional medicine practitioner tested (and found) parasites as well as severe gut dysbiosis. Treating those conditions improved her health dramatically.
    • Mary: Rosacea is closely associated with low stomach acid, which interferes with digestion and leads to pathogenic bacteria overgrowth. She personally notices a direct connection between her digestive health and her skin health. Natural tonics for low stomach acid. Mary also believes that the first step for healthy digestion is in our brain – slowing down, relaxing, and paying attention to what we eat: Mindful eating.
    • Functional Medicine Resources: Joanna is a Health Coach, and Mary is a Nutritional Therapy Practitioner. Joanna highly recommends her doctor in Australia who consults with people globally via Skype: Dr. Kate Norris. And here’s a list of directories of paleo physicians and practitioners.
  • Stress Triggers (28:13)
    • Mary: Stress is a flare trigger for her rosacea. She incorporates the following stress management techniques into her life: deep breathing, EFT/tapping, journaling, prayer, and getting plenty of sleep. Also identifying and addressing the source of the stress.
    • Joanna: Stress is her biggest trigger for HS. She reduces her stress through Julia Cameron’s Morning Pages, from her book The Artist’s Way. She also finds walking and playing with her dog to be very relaxing.
  • Emotional Triggers (35:24)
    • Eileen’s blog post: My Body Is NOT My Enemy
    • Mary’s health and nutrition coaching program: Loving Your Body to Wellness.
    • Joanna: HS is often a secret condition and one that leaves people feeling ashamed. She has found healing through the AIP to be healing on an emotional level as well as a physical one.
  • Sleep and Autoimmunity (40:28)
  • Skincare Products (45:19)
    • Mary: Most skincare products exacerbate her rosacea, so she has to be very careful. Her favorite moisturizer is Dr. Ron’s moisturizer with CoQ10, but it doesn’t have a healing effect. She focuses on gut health for healing. She also chooses all-natural cleaning products, because they impact her skin as well.
    • Joanna: Her experience matches Mary in that she tries to avoid anything unnatural on her skin, but she looks to diet and stress management for healing. She uses rose hip oil on her face, and coconut oil as a moisturizer. She stopped dying her hair. And she uses all-natural cleaning products as well.
    • Other Resources: Primordial Table’s Homemade Psoriasis Body Butter Recipe and DermaE’s Psorzema Creme.
  • The Impact of Weather and Sunshine (50:49)
    • Joanna: It’s possible that heat might exacerbate HS slightly, but overall, she notices no real difference in her symptoms based on weather. She did have chronically low vitamin D and raising that level has improved her health overall.
    • Mary: Weather is a huge trigger for her rosacea: too much sun, a harsh wind, too much heat, too much cold. She wears a hat outdoors and finds that helpful.
  • Final Words of Wisdom (53:57)
    • Mary: Sometimes skin issues can become part of our identity, so that’s part of healing too – getting comfortable with the “new you” as you heal.
    • Joanna: Her sister has eczema and her father has psoriasis, so there is a genetic link between different skin conditions, and both her father and sister have experienced improved symptoms with the paleo diet as well.
  • Outro (56:19)
    • Joanna is launching a health coaching practice, and you can find her at Joannafrankham.com. She also has some wonderful recipes on her website as well.
    • Mary offers nutritional consulting as well as delicious recipes through her website: Simpleandmerry.com.

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23 thoughts on “Episode 18: Autoimmune Skin Conditions

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  3. Another great show Eileen! Even if the topic is not directly related to my condition, Autoimmunity is autoimmunity and I always gain pearls of wisdom and new resources from you and your guests for my own personal healing journey. Thanks!

  4. Great podcast! Thank you, everyone, for sharing your experiences and suggestions. I’ve been able to get my psoriasis, rosacea, and seborrheic dermatitis under good control with AIP Paleo, but I’m still having major problems with my lichen planus.

    I’ve had chronic severe insomnia (averaging under 5 hours/night), despite darkening my room and following many other suggestions. I’ve recently started an online cognitive behavioral therapy program for insomnia (http://SHUTi.me), and I’m finally starting to improve – though I still have a long way to go.

    I’ve recently realized that I also have histamine issues. I’m struggling emotionally to cope with this, as I simply don’t want yet another thing to deal with! {sigh…}

    • Hi Debra. I understand that frustration. The good news is that with healing, histamine issues often get better. Thanks for sharing that insomnia resource. Wishing you healing on every level!

  5. Eileen – thanks again for including me in your latest podcast. It was wonderful connecting with both you and Mary about skin issues and autoimmunity. I often think how different life would have been if I’d known twenty years ago, what I know now about the effects my dietary and lifestyle choices have on my health…! But then, I probably would never have met you!

  6. Another fantastic podcast, Eileen! It makes me so happy to see new episodes in my inbox! Although I don’t have AI skin issues, the advice shared in this episode still applies to the inflammatory arthritis and thyroid symptoms I experience. I wholeheartedly agree with your guests that stress may be the number one factor that negatively triggers AI responses. In fact, I would venture to say that it is at the root of most disease processes. I dedicated a chapter to this subject in my book, although I know I could’ve written much more on the topic of stress. I can’t prove that stress caused my breast cancer in 2006 (with no family history), but I can say with certainty that it provided an environment for it to grow and flourish! The topic of self-love also hit home as I listened to this podcast. This is something that seems to elude (especially women) people with AI disease. I refer to it as nourishing the soul. Whether that means doing something you love (every day!), eating/cooking together as a family or with friends, mindful eating or quiet time, it’s vital to feed our souls so we can heal, and extend love to others. Another thing I believe women struggle with is giving ourselves permission to heal – to do the things, or not do things, that are essential to our healing. As caretakers, we tend to put ourselves last. We didn’t get sick over night, so we must realize that the road to wellness may take some time and that it’s perfectly acceptable (and necessary) to cut ourselves some slack, eat well, sleep more, say no, be still, exercise less (or more, or not at all, or differently than we are used to), etc. Again, I love your show and share your passion for helping people be well and live well. Thank you for the positive impact you are making in the AIP community! 🙂

    • Thanks for writing, Jeanne. There’s so much wisdom in your comment. I especially love the phrase “nourishing the soul.”

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  8. I have loved all of your podcast episodes! I have had narcolepsy since about age 12 (but not accurately diagnosed until age 28) and have been using diet and lifestyle changes for the last 2 years to improve my health. I’m almost 33 and narcolepsy symptoms still affect me on a daily basis but things are improving slowly but surely. I need to keep myself motivated and inspired and your podcast does this for me. Thanks!

    • I’m so glad they’re improving, Lori, and that the podcast helps! May you keep feeling better and better.

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  10. I am finding that many people who have an infection from sulphur reducing bacteria causes many of the autoimmune skin disorders. So eliminating foods that are higher in sulphur such as eggs and nuts help many people. However, these bacterium also thrive on sugar. Gradually changing the gut biome with probiotic foods with bifidobacterium, not so much lactobacillus bacterium.

  11. I have recovered from rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, colitis/Crohn’s disease and Hashimotos. My husband has recovered from ankylosing spondylitis and my son has recovered from autism. After the experience of our own recovery, I chose to study holistic nutrition as I would love to see others reverse their own symptoms and suffering. It is wonderful to hear of the success stories on your podcasts as it highlights the many others who are recovering from symptoms of chronic illness.

  12. hi Susan if i may ask you say thats “probiotic foods with bifidobacterium, not so much lactobacillus bacterium.”

    would homemade fermented kraut or pickles which is a probiotic, produce bifidobacterium? or its mostly Lacto bacteria?

  13. Hi Joseph, we add probiotic bacteria to our sauerkraut or pickles by adding GutPro probiotic powder to the brine as we are making it so we get lots of bifidobacterium growing in it. If you do the same, please be careful not to ferment a probiotic supplement with soil based bacteria in it. My understanding of the content of sauerkraut probiotics is that there is an abundance of lactobacillus plantarum. There are certainly others, but this particular species appears to be I abundance in sauerkraut.

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